Curse

TiNkLeR · Aug 18, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

Totally signed. I would have accepted if someone gave to me a sword and shield.

I once gave 100k to the first who traded me... am i a duper? no. Sometimes i just want one people in the fking game to be happy!

Stop being stupid anet -.-

Executioner · Aug 18, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

/signed

Really i dont think anyone should be banned for exploiting a game bug or being in the position of not even knowing if you have connection to a person who has exploitied a bug until its found out.

If i was at work and made a mistake and someone uses my mistake to there advantage, i still get the blame end of story, banning for anets development mistake its totally wrong imo, a simple account wipe would be enough, and even then thats overkill in most cases.

I really dont know why anet chooses this path when it comes to bug exploits, Maybe they just dont care about guildwars any more, Once youve payed your money, they own you, banning should be for external software, hacking, malicious software etc..., imagine this im playing css and i know how to exploit a corner of a wall, i hear the other guy on the other side of the wall and unload a full clip through the wall killing the guy, on a good server im not going to get banned for that, but if i turn on my aimbot in css i will.

Its as simple as that, I hope this ladyguinn person gets her account back, 2 years of playing and banned for virtually nothing... shame on you anet...

Braggi · Aug 18, 2007, 11:26 AM // 11:26

cautiously /signed

There is a thin red line here.

Of course a transaction without return will ring a bell at ANet (ebay...), especially if the item is extremely valuable or rare. But then, people give gifts all the time - "acts of kindness" from a stranger were even a regular feature at the scribe.
Our alliance had an internal art contest once, with valuable prices for the winners. And the more achieved an account is (or a close friend), the more valuable these gifts will become. Hey, I met at least two guys who farmed to give away materials for obsidian armor...

So if I can get perma-banned for accepting items, this will poison every player interaction there is.

Divinus Stella · Aug 18, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Anyone notice the pattern? all the people banned are innocent and only got banned because someone ran up to them and handed them an item worth (at the time) 70e.

Somehow i doubt it, i think what is more likely is that she decided to have a go at duping items after reading how it was done.

Less dupers the better, hope the ban sticks.

Kashrlyyk · Aug 18, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

Anyone notice the pattern? all the people banned are innocent and only got banned because someone ran up to them and handed them an item worth (at the time) 70e.

Somehow i doubt it, i think what is more likely is that she decided to have a go at duping items after reading how it was done.

Less dupers the better, hope the ban sticks.

Notice the pattern? There are always people that are happy when someone suffers. And not only that, they seem to have an unbearable need to tell everybody about that.

Obey The Cat · Aug 18, 2007, 12:05 PM // 12:05

full agree to divinus stella.

"a shield and sword" tormented shield and tormented sword eh?

Anphobia · Aug 18, 2007, 12:24 PM // 12:24

I wonder if they are tormented weapons or not, would certainly swerve a lot of votes...

So TELL US, what kinda of Weapons they were.

Untill then, I won't sign anything.

Kanadin · Aug 18, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

They were tormented,but this wasn't a stranger,I never said it was a stranger,this guy told us he farmed all day,and we only ever saw him 3 times in the gh. So how would we know that he was duping,we just thought he was an innocent farmer. She said Chunky,she used his name,that's because she had known him for 2 years and was in her previous guild with him. Then they both came to Divine Clan,and when he gave her the stuff,he left shortly after. He must of known what he was doing,but she accepted it thinking he had been farming all this time just for her. Is that really a bad thing? O.o

sykoone · Aug 18, 2007, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Someone who has played for over two years should know the approximate value of items offered for trade. If these items were indeed tormented weapons, your friend should have had alarms going off wondering why someone would just give away these expensive items. If it were a prize for an announced contest, or a gift from a guildmate, that would be one thing. But from a total stranger...your friend should have been a little suspicious.

Tijger · Aug 18, 2007, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Notice the pattern? There are always people that are happy when someone suffers. And not only that, they seem to have an unbearable need to tell everybody about that.

This is not a question of being happy for someone else' misery but the simple fact that we've had people post here how innocent they were when there were actual screenshots of them having 1250 AoT's. Everyone is innocent when they get banned apparently.

The plain fact is that neither you nor me know this person and we dont even know why they are banned and if we knew why and knew this person we still couldnt say for sure they were innocent.

So, no, I dont sign anything (which is ludicrous anyway, like its a democracy of sorts) when someone comes here proclaiming innocence.
If they are innocent then they should the channels available to them.

Cherrie · Aug 18, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

I agree with Kashrlyyk - there's a thin red line there: between those who really didn't know and those who did.
I must say if someone run up to me and offered me Tormented Shield and Tormented Sword I'm pretty sure I would have accepted it.. and I prolly would also quit GW if my account was blocked after this.

But...
I belive justice needs sacrifices, both irl and ing. Call me whatever you want, I'm hobbesian breed (from Thomas Hobbes, an english philosopher). If she really didn't know, I feel sorry for her. The thing is, I suspect she did.

Why?
First, Tormented Sword and Shield? As a gift? They must have been really good friends if she belived its legit... so good friends she'd probably know what he was doing (judging from his posts on INC, and him offering 1750 Armbraces for a minipet - which actually led to the leak of the bug- he ain't exactly the smartest person who keeps to himself). Otherwise she must have suspected something was fishy (as you said, you all did...) and she didn't feel like reporting that. Either way... I don't 100% belive she didn't know, I'm inclined she did. so /notsigned, sorry.

Shadis · Aug 18, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

Anyone notice the pattern? all the people banned are innocent and only got banned because someone ran up to them and handed them an item worth (at the time) 70e.

Somehow i doubt it, i think what is more likely is that she decided to have a go at duping items after reading how it was done.

Less dupers the better, hope the ban sticks.

Yes, I am noticing a pattern. Most of the threads I've followed here and elsewhere with people proclaiming their innocence and that they were falsely banned turned out to be them telling the truth.

I do agree with you about the doubt though, there should always be doubt. If Chunky was a "friend" to this person, then it's not out of line to think that they were involved in the duping as well.

Productivity · Aug 18, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I gave away over 100ectos a few weeks ago, for no money. I didn't even discuss it in chat (talking over vent). It's honestly not that unusualy for people within guilds/friendslists to give things away for free. If it is as described (and it certainly seems very possible) - a perma ban seems exceedingly out of line if there is no actual proof of the person duping themselves.

arcanemacabre · Aug 18, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Productivity

I gave away over 100ectos a few weeks ago, for no money. I didn't even discuss it in chat (talking over vent). It's honestly not that unusualy for people within guilds/friendslists to give things away for free. If it is as described (and it certainly seems very possible) - a perma ban seems exceedingly out of line if there is no actual proof of the person duping themselves.

Anet is likely able to track the duped items. They will probably make note of any one-sided trades, then track the giver of the trade to see if any items could have come from someone responsible for duping or had ties to someone who duped.

There's two different sides in the type of one-sided trade you're talking about here. I know, "whut?", but let me explain. If you are positive that you haven't 'accepted' any duped items, you have nothing to worry about. As long as you know that, being the giver of a one-sided trade will offer up no issues what-so-ever. The only time you have to be wary is when on the receiving end.

So, in summary:

Giving away free stuff = perfectly fine
Getting free stuff = it better be from someone you know you can trust (at least for now)

Coridan · Aug 18, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

I agree i have given away nice rare weapons to friends and guildies... I don't have much use for in game gold or status symbols but some of my friends do so i often give away weapons. I gave a real good friend of mine a req9 collassal before hard mode...when they were worth a bit. So do i need to worry about giving away free things.

I often act as the guild banker as well since i don't spend money peeps will give me 50-100k at a time to save for them if they are having a hard time saving it up for a certain item or armor set...so does this mean i am likely to get banned?

Signed if this is true.

aznkda · Aug 18, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

/signed

sorry to hear that this happened.

kade · Aug 18, 2007, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Quote:

armbriants,

I lol'd

/notsigned though, Anet knows what they're doing.

Kanadin · Aug 18, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Ok sorry,but people are still posting FROM A STRANGER. I JUST TOLD YOU IT WERN'T FROM A STRANGER! >.< Thank you to everybody who has signed.
And ffs,it isn't ME so why are you all saying you you you. It was her So-called friend who gave her the stuff,not a stranger.

Pkest · Aug 18, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

If someone accepted a stack of armbraces or something like that it seems completely different from accepting one or two items. Especially since Anet had assured everyone that duping was impossible. I can't see how they can punish someone for accepting the odd item or two from a duper under this condition.

Hell, I've given out free exp scrolls to a random survivor candidate on occasion. Should they have refused the gift because there might be some new duping exploit?

/signed (not sure what good it will do however.)

The Herbalizer · Aug 18, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Chunky claimed he was innocent? Was he? No

Chunky's guild friends claimed they were innocent along with Chunky? Was Chunky innocent? No. Is there a good chance his guild friends are not innocent? Yes.

Anet have access to chat logs so can tell if you knew they were duped or not. They could tell if you were sceptical etc.

We dont know the facts. So I will not sign this.

Keep pestering Anet. If you are innocent they will unban you.

/NOT SIGNED